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I like this idea the best!!! I don't know who wrote it, but what a great idea! (below) Also, I think that scientists would pay for what they need. If I were to have to find my cats (God forbid) new homes, I would insist on seeing where they will be living, check out the environment and fee comfortable they will have the cat as an indoor-only cat and that it will be receiving healthy food, vet checks when needed, lots of love and attention. If it ever changed, they would have to bring the cat back to me. I would put this in writing.
I've paid thousands (literally) on my cats (have 5 special needs' cats) and 4 non-special needs. I would always try Vets and Vet Tech's first - every vet within 50 miles; a recommendation from a friend who knows someone who has had cats (indoor cats) before and all
the safe avenues first before going any other route.
Just my $0.2 cents, hee.
(Volunteered a long time in a shelter and doing adopt-a-pets and fostering). I would be grateful for someone to take over the loving care I give my cats if I became unable to and wouldn't charge a thing and would also give that person the cat(s) favorite toys, perches, kennels, blankies - whatever would make the transition easiest for the cat. Doesn't matter that I spent thousands each on multiple cats, I would be forever grateful to find a loving home. I would put my rules in writing where they would have to sign as well and they would have my number, address, etc.
Okay, now it's turned into my $0.3 cents' worth! hee
"A Possible Compromise
One suggestion I've heard is to ask the potential adopter to make a donation to
a local humane society or pet rescue organization. Ask the potential adopter to
bring the receipt when he comes to pick up the pet. This way, the rescue
benefits; the pet owner can feel more secure about who his pet's new home; and
the new owner has done a good deed."
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--- In felineasthma@..., astralchyld <astralchyld@...> wrote:
Hi June, sorry it wont change from bold for me. In light of yr new situation with the kittens I thought you'd like to see this. - Chanel
Why a Re-Homing or Adoption Fee is Necessary for Pet Adoptions
There are a lot of websites that let people post ads for pets they're trying to re-home. For whatever reason, these people are no longer able to care for their pets or are no longer willing to keep them and must find them new homes. Spend some time browsing these ads and you'll see that most people will ask for an adoption fee - and that just doesn't sit right for some of the prospective new families!
However, offering a pet "free to a good home", even with good intentions, is not the right thing to do when rehoming a pet. And for people looking to adopt a new pet, there are many reasons why a rehoming fee should be charged for the best interests of the pet.Arguments Against an Adoption Fee
"If you're just going to put your pet down or bring it to the shelter, why would you charge someone a fee to take it home? You'd rather see your pet die than give it away free?"
This comment, or some variation of it, is often seen on forums that allow pet ads. The reasoning is that the pet is no longer wanted, so why not give it to someone who does want it and would give it a good home?
Many people feel that it's unethical to charge an adoption fee for an animal that's homeless (or soon to be homeless). The fee implies that the person is "in it for the money", rather than being concerned that his pet goes to the best possible home.
"That's not an adoption fee, you're selling your pet!"
Another common concern is a "high" adoption fee. Some people believe that a small fee of $20 or $50 is more acceptable than one that's $200, for example. The higher the fee, the more likely readers are to believe that the person re-homing the pet is trying to make a profit - something that is often frowned upon, especially when it appears to be at the expense of the animal's true well-being.Reasons FOR Charging an Adoption Fee
Most people are decent people. The sad reality though, is that some people are not - and charging an adoption fee helps to protect animals who need re-homing.
Here's an example... it's no secret that labs experiment on animals. It's also no secret that dog fighting rings still exist today, and use animals as "bait" to train their fighting dogs. Giving away a free animal makes them easy targets for this type of situation, where the animal's life has no monetary value. If you charge an adoption fee, it's less likely that someone will be able to turn around and sell the dog to a lab or as bait. It's less likely that it will be profitable for them, so they just won't bother.
Pet ownership is a privilege and requires a committed owner. "Free to a good home" ads encourage casual pet owners who don't take it seriously. Free pets can also end up abandoned, turned into animal shelters, neglected and ignored, re-sold to anyone who happens to walk by with a few bucks, or used for breeding if it hasn't already been spayed or neutered. There are many people who don't value what they get for free.
Sometimes you'll hear outcry that adoption fees discriminate against poor families who don't necessarily have the money to pay the adoption fee, but who will do whatever is necessary to make sure their new pet is happy and healthy - including bringing the pet in for medical care whenever it's needed. It's true, families from all economic backgrounds are completely devoted to their pets and will care for them properly and with love.
Unfortunately, a free pet is often considered a disposable pet.
It is a devastating experience to have to give up a pet. In a perfect world, pets would have permanent homes. And of course, the goal is to try to make sure pets have loving and permanent homes! But sometimes life circ*mstances mean that a family can no longer care for its pets. Think of a family who is dealing with a severe or even terminal illness, and no longer has the time to give a pet the attention it deserves. That is only one example.
For families that are in this unfortunate situation, a meeting with a prospective new home and a couple of conversations helps to ease their minds that their pets are going to a good home - but they'll probably still worry. Having a pet is a very big financial responsibility. Beyond the usual food, grooming, and other day-to-day expenses, there are also regular vet check-ups and vaccines... and the significantly more costly vet visits for emergencies or illness. Remember, the pet owner doesn't know the potential new family - and a new family's willingness to pay an adoption fee helps to demonstrate that they're financially able and willing to provide proper care for the pet.What Could Adoption Fees Be Used For?
Shelters and rescue organizations always charge an adoption fee. Most people don't seem to mind, in fact, they expect it. They know that rescues need to cover operating expenses, pet care, medical bills, and so forth.
Individual pet owners who charge a rehoming fee don't necessarily use it for anything - but they might also have expenses to cover too. For example, they might include a kennel, food dishes, toys, bedding, and other pet accessories when you adopt their pet. Or maybe they want to use the fee to help cover a spay/neuter surgery before they let their pet go to a new home. Maybe the pet owner sprung an animal from the shelter because it was going to be euthanized, but they knew they couldn't keep it - so they pass on the adoption fee to the new owner once they find the pet a good, permanent home.A Possible Compromise
One suggestion I've heard is to ask the potential adopter to make a donation to a local humane society or pet rescue organization. Ask the potential adopter to bring the receipt when he comes to pick up the pet. This way, the rescue benefits; the pet owner can feel more secure about who his pet's new home; and the new owner has done a good deed.
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That is a great idea. If people put out even a contribution the animal is more likely to be going to a loving home. I hear so many horror stories about young animals being used a "bait" to train fighting dogs. It's awful. Love, June
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Subject: [felineasthma] Re: Why an Adoption Fee is Necessary for Pet Adoptions - June
I like this idea the best!!! I don't know who wrote it, but what a great idea! (below) Also, I think that scientists would pay for what they need. If I were to have to find my cats (God forbid) new homes, I would insist on seeing where they will be living, check out the environment and fee comfortable they will have the cat as an indoor-only cat and that it will be receiving healthy food, vet checks when needed, lots of love and attention. If it ever changed, they would have to bring the cat back to me. I would put this in writing.
I've paid thousands (literally) on my cats (have 5 special needs' cats) and 4 non-special needs. I would always try Vets and Vet Tech's first - every vet within 50 miles; a recommendation from a friend who knows someone who has had cats (indoor cats) before and all
the safe avenues first before going any other route.
Just my $0.2 cents, hee.
(Volunteered a long time in a shelter and doing adopt-a-pets and fostering). I would be grateful for someone to take over the loving care I give my cats if I became unable to and wouldn't charge a thing and would also give that person the cat(s) favorite toys, perches, kennels, blankies - whatever would make the transition easiest for the cat. Doesn't matter that I spent thousands each on multiple cats, I would be forever grateful to find a loving home. I would put my rules in writing where they would have to sign as well and they would have my number, address, etc.
Okay, now it's turned into my $0.3 cents' worth! hee
"A Possible Compromise
One suggestion I've heard is to ask the potential adopter to make a donation to
a local humane society or pet rescue organization. Ask the potential adopter to
bring the receipt when he comes to pick up the pet. This way, the rescue
benefits; the pet owner can feel more secure about who his pet's new home; and
the new owner has done a good deed."
--- In felineasthma@..., astralchyld <astralchyld@...> wrote:
Hi June, sorry it wont change from bold for me. In light of yr new situation with the kittens I thought you'd like to see this. - Chanel
Why a Re-Homing or Adoption Fee is Necessary for Pet Adoptions
There are a lot of websites that let people post ads for pets they're trying to re-home. For whatever reason, these people are no longer able to care for their pets or are no longer willing to keep them and must find them new homes. Spend some time browsing these ads and you'll see that most people will ask for an adoption fee - and that just doesn't sit right for some of the prospective new families!
However, offering a pet "free to a good home", even with good intentions, is not the right thing to do when rehoming a pet. And for people looking to adopt a new pet, there are many reasons why a rehoming fee should be charged for the best interests of the pet.
Arguments Against an Adoption Fee
"If you're just going to put your pet down or bring it to the shelter, why would you charge someone a fee to take it home? You'd rather see your pet die than give it away free?"
This comment, or some variation of it, is often seen on forums that allow pet ads. The reasoning is that the pet is no longer wanted, so why not give it to someone who does want it and would give it a good home?
Many people feel that it's unethical to charge an adoption fee for an animal that's homeless (or soon to be homeless). The fee implies that the person is "in it for the money", rather than being concerned that his pet goes to the best possible home.
"That's not an adoption fee, you're selling your pet!"
Another common concern is a "high" adoption fee. Some people believe that a small fee of $20 or $50 is more acceptable than one that's $200, for example. The higher the fee, the more likely readers are to believe that the person re-homing the pet is trying to make a profit - something that is often frowned upon, especially when it appears to be at the expense of the animal's true well-being.
Reasons FOR Charging an Adoption Fee
Most people are decent people. The sad reality though, is that some people are not - and charging an adoption fee helps to protect animals who need re-homing.
Here's an example... it's no secret that labs experiment on animals. It's also no secret that dog fighting rings still exist today, and use animals as "bait" to train their fighting dogs. Giving away a free animal makes them easy targets for this type of situation, where the animal's life has no monetary value. If you charge an adoption fee, it's less likely that someone will be able to turn around and sell the dog to a lab or as bait. It's less likely that it will be profitable for them, so they just won't bother.
Pet ownership is a privilege and requires a committed owner. "Free to a good home" ads encourage casual pet owners who don't take it seriously. Free pets can also end up abandoned, turned into animal shelters, neglected and ignored, re-sold to anyone who happens to walk by with a few bucks, or used for breeding if it hasn't already been spayed or neutered. There are many people who don't value what they get for free.
Sometimes you'll hear outcry that adoption fees discriminate against poor families who don't necessarily have the money to pay the adoption fee, but who will do whatever is necessary to make sure their new pet is happy and healthy - including bringing the pet in for medical care whenever it's needed. It's true, families from all economic backgrounds are completely devoted to their pets and will care for them properly and with love.
Unfortunately, a free pet is often considered a disposable pet.
It is a devastating experience to have to give up a pet. In a perfect world, pets would have permanent homes. And of course, the goal is to try to make sure pets have loving and permanent homes! But sometimes life circ*mstances mean that a family can no longer care for its pets. Think of a family who is dealing with a severe or even terminal illness, and no longer has the time to give a pet the attention it deserves. That is only one example.
For families that are in this unfortunate situation, a meeting with a prospective new home and a couple of conversations helps to ease their minds that their pets are going to a good home - but they'll probably still worry. Having a pet is a very big financial responsibility. Beyond the usual food, grooming, and other day-to-day expenses, there are also regular vet check-ups and vaccines... and the significantly more costly vet visits for emergencies or illness. Remember, the pet owner doesn't know the potential new family - and a new family's willingness to pay an adoption fee helps to demonstrate that they're financially able and willing to provide proper care for the pet.
What Could Adoption Fees Be Used For?
Shelters and rescue organizations always charge an adoption fee. Most people don't seem to mind, in fact, they expect it. They know that rescues need to cover operating expenses, pet care, medical bills, and so forth.
Individual pet owners who charge a rehoming fee don't necessarily use it for anything - but they might also have expenses to cover too. For example, they might include a kennel, food dishes, toys, bedding, and other pet accessories when you adopt their pet. Or maybe they want to use the fee to help cover a spay/neuter surgery before they let their pet go to a new home. Maybe the pet owner sprung an animal from the shelter because it was going to be euthanized, but they knew they couldn't keep it - so they pass on the adoption fee to the new owner once they find the pet a good, permanent home.
A Possible Compromise
One suggestion I've heard is to ask the potential adopter to make a donation to a local humane society or pet rescue organization. Ask the potential adopter to bring the receipt when he comes to pick up the pet. This way, the rescue benefits; the pet owner can feel more secure about who his pet's new home; and the new owner has done a good deed.
http://hubpages.com/hub/Adoption-Fees-for-Pet-Adoptions
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PS. Here in my home town if you adopt an animal from a shelter you first must go pay a vet for an initial visit for shots, etc. Only then when you bring back the receipt will they let you take the animal and there is still a 15.00 adoption fee. Love, June
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From: naps_with_cats
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Sent: Sat, 22 May 2010 03:25:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [felineasthma] Re: Why an Adoption Fee is Necessary for Pet Adoptions - June
I like this idea the best!!! I don't know who wrote it, but what a great idea! (below) Also, I think that scientists would pay for what they need. If I were to have to find my cats (God forbid) new homes, I would insist on seeing where they will be living, check out the environment and fee comfortable they will have the cat as an indoor-only cat and that it will be receiving healthy food, vet checks when needed, lots of love and attention. If it ever changed, they would have to bring the cat back to me. I would put this in writing.
I've paid thousands (literally) on my cats (have 5 special needs' cats) and 4 non-special needs. I would always try Vets and Vet Tech's first - every vet within 50 miles; a recommendation from a friend who knows someone who has had cats (indoor cats) before and all
the safe avenues first before going any other route.
Just my $0.2 cents, hee.
(Volunteered a long time in a shelter and doing adopt-a-pets and fostering). I would be grateful for someone to take over the loving care I give my cats if I became unable to and wouldn't charge a thing and would also give that person the cat(s) favorite toys, perches, kennels, blankies - whatever would make the transition easiest for the cat. Doesn't matter that I spent thousands each on multiple cats, I would be forever grateful to find a loving home. I would put my rules in writing where they would have to sign as well and they would have my number, address, etc.
Okay, now it's turned into my $0.3 cents' worth! hee
"A Possible Compromise
One suggestion I've heard is to ask the potential adopter to make a donation to
a local humane society or pet rescue organization. Ask the potential adopter to
bring the receipt when he comes to pick up the pet. This way, the rescue
benefits; the pet owner can feel more secure about who his pet's new home; and
the new owner has done a good deed."
--- In felineasthma@..., astralchyld <astralchyld@...> wrote:
Hi June, sorry it wont change from bold for me. In light of yr new situation with the kittens I thought you'd like to see this. - Chanel
Why a Re-Homing or Adoption Fee is Necessary for Pet Adoptions
There are a lot of websites that let people post ads for pets they're trying to re-home. For whatever reason, these people are no longer able to care for their pets or are no longer willing to keep them and must find them new homes. Spend some time browsing these ads and you'll see that most people will ask for an adoption fee - and that just doesn't sit right for some of the prospective new families!
However, offering a pet "free to a good home", even with good intentions, is not the right thing to do when rehoming a pet. And for people looking to adopt a new pet, there are many reasons why a rehoming fee should be charged for the best interests of the pet.
Arguments Against an Adoption Fee
"If you're just going to put your pet down or bring it to the shelter, why would you charge someone a fee to take it home? You'd rather see your pet die than give it away free?"
This comment, or some variation of it, is often seen on forums that allow pet ads. The reasoning is that the pet is no longer wanted, so why not give it to someone who does want it and would give it a good home?
Many people feel that it's unethical to charge an adoption fee for an animal that's homeless (or soon to be homeless). The fee implies that the person is "in it for the money", rather than being concerned that his pet goes to the best possible home.
"That's not an adoption fee, you're selling your pet!"
Another common concern is a "high" adoption fee. Some people believe that a small fee of $20 or $50 is more acceptable than one that's $200, for example. The higher the fee, the more likely readers are to believe that the person re-homing the pet is trying to make a profit - something that is often frowned upon, especially when it appears to be at the expense of the animal's true well-being.
Reasons FOR Charging an Adoption Fee
Most people are decent people. The sad reality though, is that some people are not - and charging an adoption fee helps to protect animals who need re-homing.
Here's an example... it's no secret that labs experiment on animals. It's also no secret that dog fighting rings still exist today, and use animals as "bait" to train their fighting dogs. Giving away a free animal makes them easy targets for this type of situation, where the animal's life has no monetary value. If you charge an adoption fee, it's less likely that someone will be able to turn around and sell the dog to a lab or as bait. It's less likely that it will be profitable for them, so they just won't bother.
Pet ownership is a privilege and requires a committed owner. "Free to a good home" ads encourage casual pet owners who don't take it seriously. Free pets can also end up abandoned, turned into animal shelters, neglected and ignored, re-sold to anyone who happens to walk by with a few bucks, or used for breeding if it hasn't already been spayed or neutered. There are many people who don't value what they get for free.
Sometimes you'll hear outcry that adoption fees discriminate against poor families who don't necessarily have the money to pay the adoption fee, but who will do whatever is necessary to make sure their new pet is happy and healthy - including bringing the pet in for medical care whenever it's needed. It's true, families from all economic backgrounds are completely devoted to their pets and will care for them properly and with love.
Unfortunately, a free pet is often considered a disposable pet.
It is a devastating experience to have to give up a pet. In a perfect world, pets would have permanent homes. And of course, the goal is to try to make sure pets have loving and permanent homes! But sometimes life circ*mstances mean that a family can no longer care for its pets. Think of a family who is dealing with a severe or even terminal illness, and no longer has the time to give a pet the attention it deserves. That is only one example.
For families that are in this unfortunate situation, a meeting with a prospective new home and a couple of conversations helps to ease their minds that their pets are going to a good home - but they'll probably still worry. Having a pet is a very big financial responsibility. Beyond the usual food, grooming, and other day-to-day expenses, there are also regular vet check-ups and vaccines... and the significantly more costly vet visits for emergencies or illness. Remember, the pet owner doesn't know the potential new family - and a new family's willingness to pay an adoption fee helps to demonstrate that they're financially able and willing to provide proper care for the pet.
What Could Adoption Fees Be Used For?
Shelters and rescue organizations always charge an adoption fee. Most people don't seem to mind, in fact, they expect it. They know that rescues need to cover operating expenses, pet care, medical bills, and so forth.
Individual pet owners who charge a rehoming fee don't necessarily use it for anything - but they might also have expenses to cover too. For example, they might include a kennel, food dishes, toys, bedding, and other pet accessories when you adopt their pet. Or maybe they want to use the fee to help cover a spay/neuter surgery before they let their pet go to a new home. Maybe the pet owner sprung an animal from the shelter because it was going to be euthanized, but they knew they couldn't keep it - so they pass on the adoption fee to the new owner once they find the pet a good, permanent home.
A Possible Compromise
One suggestion I've heard is to ask the potential adopter to make a donation to a local humane society or pet rescue organization. Ask the potential adopter to bring the receipt when he comes to pick up the pet. This way, the rescue benefits; the pet owner can feel more secure about who his pet's new home; and the new owner has done a good deed.
http://hubpages.com/hub/Adoption-Fees-for-Pet-Adoptions
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I just adopted 2 kitties from a cat shelter.
Woman did not believe in vaccinating any of the cats in the shelter and actually wanted me to agree not to do it either, which of course I did not agree to considering where we live.
Next I had to pay her 125.00 donation fee for each cat, had no choice on giving the donation as she wrote it on the reciept.
Got the cats home and one was sneezing. Darn, not vaccinated coming from a shelter, so off to the vet we went with both of them. Had to do blood test for Clamydia and Feline Leukemia etc as you can't vaccinate sick cats so we had to make sure they where healthy. Cost me $140.00 for their first vaccinations plus vet costs for the blood work. This month they needed their Leukemia and Rabies shots which was another $140.00 and in July I have to get them both neutered which don't know the cost yet.
Riley is still on antibiotics to try and clear up whatever he came from the shelter with , his snotty nose, and well we can't figure out why Shade is having this bloody stool but will get to the bottom of it.
Because the shelter is into all this natural food and that I have to pay twice the price for catfood as I can't seem to change their diet without running to problems and have to make a 6 hour round trip each month to by this darn food as it is not available locally.
Love the little fellas to death but sure was not counting on all the extra costs. Told them both today, lets try getting through this next month without and vet bills.
Cost me over $1000.00 and I have only had them for a month.
I just don't feel it was fair of the Shelter to charge me $300.00 for the cats (it was not a donation, it was what the cats cost me) and not have them vaccinated or anything and when I told them the cats had to be tested because the one was sick they washed their hands of it and said they where fine when they where at the shelter.
When Riley was sneezing, I called the lady at the shelter and asked if he had done it there and she said yes once in awhile, when I aske the other lady she said no. Second time I aske both and they said no he had never sneezed at the shelter. I could tell they where not telling me the truth.
So I will take care of these guys and get them both healthy. Good thing I have a lot of credit at the bank as this is not cheap adopting these fellas from a shelter. Not a very good start for us but we will get it all sorted out I am sure as the vet is bending over backwards to help me get these guys healthy as the bill could be alot higher then it is if I had taken them elsewhere.
Just venting this morning I guess.
Liz, Angel MIkey, Riley, Shade
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In Texas, animals (dogs & cats) adopted from rescue groups or shelters
have to be altered by a certain age or specific date depending on sex
and age at adoption.
Most groups around Houston include the altering in their adoption fee.
We don't require folks to feed any specific food, but we ask that they
start them off with what they've been on and if they want to
transition it, wait until the cat/kit has settled into the household
before starting the transition.
How old were the kits? Not knowing what the laws are in your state,
Texas laws require an animal to be vaccinated if they are over 4
months old, but they can be vaccinated as early as 3 months old.
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On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Liz S <ews54@...> wrote:
I just adopted 2 kitties from a cat shelter.Woman did not believe in vaccinating any of the cats in the shelter and actually wanted me to agree not to do it either, which of course I did not agree to considering where we live.
Next I had to pay her 125.00 donation fee for each cat, had no choice on giving the donation as she wrote it on the reciept.
Got the cats home and one was sneezing. Darn, not vaccinated coming from a shelter, so off to the vet we went with both of them. Had to do blood test for Clamydia and Feline Leukemia etc as you can't vaccinate sick cats so we had to make sure they where healthy. Cost me $140.00 for their first vaccinations plus vet costs for the blood work. This month they needed their Leukemia and Rabies shots which was another $140.00 and in July I have to get them both neutered which don't know the cost yet.
Riley is still on antibiotics to try and clear up whatever he came from the shelter with , his snotty nose, and well we can't figure out why Shade is having this bloody stool but will get to the bottom of it.
Because the shelter is into all this natural food and that I have to pay twice the price for catfood as I can't seem to change their diet without running to problems and have to make a 6 hour round trip each month to by this darn food as it is not available locally.
Love the little fellas to death but sure was not counting on all the extra costs. Told them both today, lets try getting through this next month without and vet bills.
Cost me over $1000.00 and I have only had them for a month.
I just don't feel it was fair of the Shelter to charge me $300.00 for the cats (it was not a donation, it was what the cats cost me) and not have them vaccinated or anything and when I told them the cats had to be tested because the one was sick they washed their hands of it and said they where fine when they where at the shelter.
When Riley was sneezing, I called the lady at the shelter and asked if he had done it there and she said yes once in awhile, when I aske the other lady she said no. Second time I aske both and they said no he had never sneezed at the shelter. I could tell they where not telling me the truth.
So I will take care of these guys and get them both healthy. Good thing I have a lot of credit at the bank as this is not cheap adopting these fellas from a shelter. Not a very good start for us but we will get it all sorted out I am sure as the vet is bending over backwards to help me get these guys healthy as the bill could be alot higher then it is if I had taken them elsewhere.
Just venting this morning I guess.
Liz, Angel MIkey, Riley, Shade
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They where 8 weeks old and vet vaccinated them with the first set of vaccinations and this past week we vaccinated them for leukemia and rabies.
They tolde me a vet was associated with the shelter but knowing this vet I don't believe he would be okay with running a shelter with unvaccinated cats. I don't know the laws with regards to shelters.
They will be neutered in July as vet said 5 or 6 months is okay.
I am trying to get them switched off the food as it is specific to this pet store and shelter and I do not want to be put into a position one day I can't get it and they won't eat anything else. They seem to be doing okay with the kitten chow which is easily available at the store.
This Merrick wet food though I can't get anywhere else. Have to be careful though as one of them is having issues with his bowels.
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#54227
Hi Liz,
I'm surprised about the shelter. Here at the local SPCA you pay a small fee and the cats come with their beginner shots and they are neutered before you are allowed to take them. If you are renting, they actually contact the landlord to make sure it is ok to have cats, so they are careful. When I chose Ollie at first, he had already been "reserved" by someone else but then they called me a few days later and said they would prefer if I adopted him, so I think they check people out and I had adopted from them before.
Peggy and Oliver ^~^
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From: Liz S <ews54@...>
Subject: RE: [felineasthma] Re: Why an Adoption Fee is Necessary for Pet Adoptions - June
To: felineasthma@...
Date: Saturday, May 22, 2010, 5:06 PM
I just adopted 2 kitties from a cat shelter.
Woman did not believe in vaccinating any of the cats in the shelter and actually wanted me to agree not to do it either, which of course I did not agree to considering where we live.
Next I had to pay her 125.00 donation fee for each cat, had no choice on giving the donation as she wrote it on the reciept.
Got the cats home and one was sneezing. Darn, not vaccinated coming from a shelter, so off to the vet we went with both of them. Had to do blood test for Clamydia and Feline Leukemia etc as you can't vaccinate sick cats so we had to make sure they where healthy. Cost me $140.00 for their first vaccinations plus vet costs for the blood work. This month they needed their Leukemia and Rabies shots which was another $140.00 and in July I have to get them both neutered which don't know the cost yet.
Riley is still on antibiotics to try and clear up whatever he came from the shelter with , his snotty nose, and well we can't figure out why Shade is having this bloody stool but will get to the bottom of it.
Because the shelter is into all this natural food and that I have to pay twice the price for catfood as I can't seem to change their diet without running to problems and have to make a 6 hour round trip each month to by this darn food as it is not available locally.
Love the little fellas to death but sure was not counting on all the extra costs. Told them both today, lets try getting through this next month without and vet bills.
Cost me over $1000.00 and I have only had them for a month.
I just don't feel it was fair of the Shelter to charge me $300.00 for the cats (it was not a donation, it was what the cats cost me) and not have them vaccinated or anything and when I told them the cats had to be tested because the one was sick they washed their hands of it and said they where fine when they where at the shelter.
When Riley was sneezing, I called the lady at the shelter and asked if he had done it there and she said yes once in awhile, when I aske the other lady she said no. Second time I aske both and they said no he had never sneezed at the shelter. I could tell they where not telling me the truth.
So I will take care of these guys and get them both healthy. Good thing I have a lot of credit at the bank as this is not cheap adopting these fellas from a shelter. Not a very good start for us but we will get it all sorted out I am sure as the vet is bending over backwards to help me get these guys healthy as the bill could be alot higher then it is if I had taken them elsewhere.
Just venting this morning I guess.
Liz, Angel MIkey, Riley, Shade
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#54228
Sound more reasonable to me to adopt out kitties that way. Only thing they made me sign that I would not declaw them. She did not want the vaccinations either but I cannot take the risk.
We live in the middle of a forest with bears, deer, fox, skunk, squirells, you name it coming through the yard everyday.
There are feral cats, and domestic cats running around all the time.
We are in and out all the time and they are great escape artists and you can't watch them every minute of the day or when the kids or others come and go.
No I could not even think of not getting them vaccinated and neutered. It is just a big cost to me and that she charged me $125.oo per cat and called it a donation to their organization, she did not give me a choice. I did not donate, I bought those cats. It is costing almost $1000.oo and I have only had them for a month and still have to get them neutered.
Oh well, such is life. They are ours and as long as I can keep them out of trouble hopefully the vet bills will stop.
Riley is just like an accident looking for a place to happen. Now he sprained his leg or something as one leg and foot is twice the size of the other. These guys. Forgot how much trouble kittens can get into as Mikey was fat and lazy and just slept most of the time. Nap time and bedtime are the best as you know they are sleeping and not in trouble.
Liz, Angel Mikey,Riley,Shade
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naps_with_cats
#54235
Hey, that's interesting!
Here, before you take them out of the shelter they get their initial shot(s) (depending on age), rabies shot, microchip and cannot leave without being spayed and neutered at our shelters (or the 2 ones that are closest to me, anyways), and they give you a coupon for a first vet visit for free. (If any medicines or procedures are done, however, the vet charges for that). Our shelters' adoption fees here in California went way up recently. Cats, from $30.00 to about $70.00; dogs from $45 (including 1 year license) to, I think $95.00, but you do get all the shots, microchip, spaying/neutering all done.
Warmly,
Julie O'
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--- In felineasthma@..., junemendenhall09@... wrote:
PS. Here in my home town if you adopt an animal from a shelter you first must go pay a vet for an initial visit for shots, etc. Only then when you bring back the receipt will they let you take the animal and there is still a 15.00 adoption fee. Love, June----- Original Message -----
From: naps_with_cats
To: felineasthma@...
Sent: Sat, 22 May 2010 03:25:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [felineasthma] Re: Why an Adoption Fee is Necessary for Pet Adoptions - JuneI like this idea the best!!! I don't know who wrote it, but what a great idea! (below) Also, I think that scientists would pay for what they need. If I were to have to find my cats (God forbid) new homes, I would insist on seeing where they will be living, check out the environment and fee comfortable they will have the cat as an indoor-only cat and that it will be receiving healthy food, vet checks when needed, lots of love and attention. If it ever changed, they would have to bring the cat back to me. I would put this in writing.
I've paid thousands (literally) on my cats (have 5 special needs' cats) and 4 non-special needs. I would always try Vets and Vet Tech's first - every vet within 50 miles; a recommendation from a friend who knows someone who has had cats (indoor cats) before and all
the safe avenues first before going any other route.
Just my $0.2 cents, hee.
(Volunteered a long time in a shelter and doing adopt-a-pets and fostering). I would be grateful for someone to take over the loving care I give my cats if I became unable to and wouldn't charge a thing and would also give that person the cat(s) favorite toys, perches, kennels, blankies - whatever would make the transition easiest for the cat. Doesn't matter that I spent thousands each on multiple cats, I would be forever grateful to find a loving home. I would put my rules in writing where they would have to sign as well and they would have my number, address, etc.
Okay, now it's turned into my $0.3 cents' worth! hee
"A Possible Compromise
One suggestion I've heard is to ask the potential adopter to make a donation to
a local humane society or pet rescue organization. Ask the potential adopter to
bring the receipt when he comes to pick up the pet. This way, the rescue
benefits; the pet owner can feel more secure about who his pet's new home; and
the new owner has done a good deed."
--- In felineasthma@..., astralchyld <astralchyld@> wrote:
Hi June, sorry it wont change from bold for me. In light of yr new situation with the kittens I thought you'd like to see this. - ChanelWhy a Re-Homing or Adoption Fee is Necessary for Pet AdoptionsThere are a lot of websites that let people post ads for pets they're trying to re-home. For whatever reason, these people are no longer able to care for their pets or are no longer willing to keep them and must find them new homes. Spend some time browsing these ads and you'll see that most people will ask for an adoption fee - and that just doesn't sit right for some of the prospective new families!However, offering a pet "free to a good home", even with good intentions, is not the right thing to do when rehoming a pet. And for people looking to adopt a new pet, there are many reasons why a rehoming fee should be charged for the best interests of the pet.Arguments Against an Adoption Fee"If you're just going to put your pet down or bring it to the shelter, why would you charge someone a fee to take it home? You'd rather see your pet die than give it away free?"This comment, or some variation of it, is often seen on forums that allow pet ads. The reasoning is that the pet is no longer wanted, so why not give it to someone who does want it and would give it a good home?Many people feel that it's unethical to charge an adoption fee for an animal that's homeless (or soon to be homeless). The fee implies that the person is "in it for the money", rather than being concerned that his pet goes to the best possible home."That's not an adoption fee, you're selling your pet!"Another common concern is a "high" adoption fee. Some people believe that a small fee of $20 or $50 is more acceptable than one that's $200, for example. The higher the fee, the more likely readers are to believe that the person re-homing the pet is trying to make a profit - something that is often frowned upon, especially when it appears to be at the expense of the animal's true well-being.Reasons FOR Charging an Adoption FeeMost people are decent people. The sad reality though, is that some people are not - and charging an adoption fee helps to protect animals who need re-homing.Here's an example... it's no secret that labs experiment on animals. It's also no secret that dog fighting rings still exist today, and use animals as "bait" to train their fighting dogs. Giving away a free animal makes them easy targets for this type of situation, where the animal's life has no monetary value. If you charge an adoption fee, it's less likely that someone will be able to turn around and sell the dog to a lab or as bait. It's less likely that it will be profitable for them, so they just won't bother.Pet ownership is a privilege and requires a committed owner. "Free to a good home" ads encourage casual pet owners who don't take it seriously. Free pets can also end up abandoned, turned into animal shelters, neglected and ignored, re-sold to anyone who happens to walk by with a few bucks, or used for breeding if it hasn't already been spayed or neutered. There are many people who don't value what they get for free.Sometimes you'll hear outcry that adoption fees discriminate against poor families who don't necessarily have the money to pay the adoption fee, but who will do whatever is necessary to make sure their new pet is happy and healthy - including bringing the pet in for medical care whenever it's needed. It's true, families from all economic backgrounds are completely devoted to their pets and will care for them properly and with love.Unfortunately, a free pet is often considered a disposable pet.It is a devastating experience to have to give up a pet. In a perfect world, pets would have permanent homes. And of course, the goal is to try to make sure pets have loving and permanent homes! But sometimes life circ*mstances mean that a family can no longer care for its pets. Think of a family who is dealing with a severe or even terminal illness, and no longer has the time to give a pet the attention it deserves. That is only one example.For families that are in this unfortunate situation, a meeting with a prospective new home and a couple of conversations helps to ease their minds that their pets are going to a good home - but they'll probably still worry. Having a pet is a very big financial responsibility. Beyond the usual food, grooming, and other day-to-day expenses, there are also regular vet check-ups and vaccines... and the significantly more costly vet visits for emergencies or illness. Remember, the pet owner doesn't know the potential new family - and a new family's willingness to pay an adoption fee helps to demonstrate that they're financially able and willing to provide proper care for the pet.What Could Adoption Fees Be Used For?Shelters and rescue organizations always charge an adoption fee. Most people don't seem to mind, in fact, they expect it. They know that rescues need to cover operating expenses, pet care, medical bills, and so forth.Individual pet owners who charge a rehoming fee don't necessarily use it for anything - but they might also have expenses to cover too. For example, they might include a kennel, food dishes, toys, bedding, and other pet accessories when you adopt their pet. Or maybe they want to use the fee to help cover a spay/neuter surgery before they let their pet go to a new home. Maybe the pet owner sprung an animal from the shelter because it was going to be euthanized, but they knew they couldn't keep it - so they pass on the adoption fee to the new owner once they find the pet a good, permanent home.A Possible CompromiseOne suggestion I've heard is to ask the potential adopter to make a donation to a local humane society or pet rescue organization. Ask the potential adopter to bring the receipt when he comes to pick up the pet. This way, the rescue benefits; the pet owner can feel more secure about who his pet's new home; and the new owner has done a good deed.http://hubpages.com/hub/Adoption-Fees-for-Pet-Adoptions[Non-text portions of this message have been removed][Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
naps_with_cats
#54236
Wow,
If this lady is running a certified shelter through the County or a 501(c)3, I would immediately call the HSUS (Humane Society of the United States) 800 number and report her.
Bloody stool could be indicative of parasytes, especially since they're shelter kitties. I'm guessing the sneezing will clear up - did they give you Clavamox for that?
To wean a kitten/cat from one food to another (which is perfectly okay to do - just make sure it's a healthy food, not Meow Mix which has no nutrients - just have a bag of the "natural and expensive food" and buy a good brand, perhaps "Innova", "Evo", "Wellness" and add about a 1/4 of that to the food the first week, the second week, add 1/2 of the old, 1/2 of the new, the next week, 3/4 of the old, 3/4 of the new and finally the 4th week, kitty will be fully weaned from the stuff that lady said you have to feed the kitties. The only side-effect from switching foods (unless they're allergic to the new food) is diarrhea when people change the food too fast, or the new food is too rich (which Evo is a really rich food which my cats couldn't tolerate). I actually, because of my current financial situation which is dire, mix the Innova with Purina 1 chicken and rice formula to make the food last longer. (I started adding the Purina slowly, but because Innova has so many nutrients in it that a carinvore cat needs, I still buy it.
That lady sounds more like a shelter breeder, if that makes any sense! I would most certainly report just what you reported here to the HSUS and they will investigate. Perhaps not on the spot, but as soon as they can fit it in! They investigated our shelter where I volunteered/fostered and adopt-a-pet'ed(?) for a few years because many of the volunteers reported them, first to the papers, the local T.V., then the HSUS because it was a filthy environment for the cats and dogs (we had livestock, too), and the guys doing the initial cleaning of the floors (spraying with forced water) would be getting into the bottom cages of the cats and the dogs kennels, they would rough-house the cats; the manager/vet wasn't visiting the animals put on the sick-animal log hardly, etc., etc.
Yup, I'd report to the HSUS. (The head guy is really handsome, too!
;-)
Warmly,
Julie O'
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--- In felineasthma@..., Liz S <ews54@...> wrote:
I just adopted 2 kitties from a cat shelter.
Woman did not believe in vaccinating any of the cats in the shelter and actually wanted me to agree not to do it either, which of course I did not agree to considering where we live.
Next I had to pay her 125.00 donation fee for each cat, had no choice on giving the donation as she wrote it on the reciept.
Got the cats home and one was sneezing. Darn, not vaccinated coming from a shelter, so off to the vet we went with both of them. Had to do blood test for Clamydia and Feline Leukemia etc as you can't vaccinate sick cats so we had to make sure they where healthy. Cost me $140.00 for their first vaccinations plus vet costs for the blood work. This month they needed their Leukemia and Rabies shots which was another $140.00 and in July I have to get them both neutered which don't know the cost yet.
Riley is still on antibiotics to try and clear up whatever he came from the shelter with , his snotty nose, and well we can't figure out why Shade is having this bloody stool but will get to the bottom of it.
Because the shelter is into all this natural food and that I have to pay twice the price for catfood as I can't seem to change their diet without running to problems and have to make a 6 hour round trip each month to by this darn food as it is not available locally.
Love the little fellas to death but sure was not counting on all the extra costs. Told them both today, lets try getting through this next month without and vet bills.
Cost me over $1000.00 and I have only had them for a month.
I just don't feel it was fair of the Shelter to charge me $300.00 for the cats (it was not a donation, it was what the cats cost me) and not have them vaccinated or anything and when I told them the cats had to be tested because the one was sick they washed their hands of it and said they where fine when they where at the shelter.
When Riley was sneezing, I called the lady at the shelter and asked if he had done it there and she said yes once in awhile, when I aske the other lady she said no. Second time I aske both and they said no he had never sneezed at the shelter. I could tell they where not telling me the truth.
So I will take care of these guys and get them both healthy. Good thing I have a lot of credit at the bank as this is not cheap adopting these fellas from a shelter. Not a very good start for us but we will get it all sorted out I am sure as the vet is bending over backwards to help me get these guys healthy as the bill could be alot higher then it is if I had taken them elsewhere.
Just venting this morning I guess.
Liz, Angel MIkey, Riley, Shade
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naps_with_cats
#54241
Hey Chanel and Seti,
I'll have to agree to disagree and still feel that giving a beloved pet to a good home with the contingencies I put below (only) and checking in would help with the overpopulation situation.
Oh... I don't know if this happens everywhere in the U.S., but our shelter does not adopt out black cats for the entire month of October because of the unspeakable and horrific things certain groups or individuals do to them, i.e., sacrafice and such. Makes me sick! Happens here every year; in fact here it's not just black cats anymore.
Oh parents, teach your children well about animal care! I become very upset every time I think of this and other horrific things that happen here and I'm guessing everywhere. Some I can't even talk about lest I go into a long-term anger.
Getting the ferals spayed/neutered is something a group here does and then they put them on craigslist as barn cats with the condition they will have consistent food, water and shelter. This really helps the cat population 'round these here parts.
warmly,
Julie O'
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--- In felineasthma@..., "astralchyld" <astralchyld@...> wrote:
Hi Julie!! Yes that part is a very good idea. But for sure the world has changed and no one should ever just give a kitten or puppy away for free. There are many unscrupulous people who will sell the animal to a lab where they will suffer untold horrors for far too long. (If anyone here can stand it look up Huntingdon Life Sciences and watch just one video on youtube about it if you can make it thru. Then multiply that by all the university labs across the country & Europe and you will have the idea. Animal testing and vivisection simply must end.)Some say even $25 is not enough as labs can pay up to 100 for an animal. This is another reason many pets are stolen and now more people do this as the economy has worsened. So please anyone here with kittens/puppies Make the Adopter PAY! To you, to a shelter, however you want to work it but no animal is 'free to a good owner' anymore, not in today's world.
What you're doing for your special needs fur ones is just great Julie!! I feed ferals too and we can all do our part with donations to someone out there, your local 'cat lady' or as you did by donating your precious time. Thank you!!
Love & light,
Chanel & Seti--- In felineasthma@..., "naps_with_cats" <naps.with.cats@> wrote:
I like this idea the best!!! I don't know who wrote it, but what a great idea! (below) Also, I think that scientists would pay for what they need. If I were to have to find my cats (God forbid) new homes,
PennySue Hardy
#54244
Liz.
The way that shelter is run, if you hadn't adopted Shade and Riley they would not be getting the medical care they need. I think you have saved their lives. They sound very irrsponsible. I imagine they just don't want to spend the money on vaccines.
Artie needs to have his manhood changed soon. He is 5 months now and it should happen between 5 and 6 months old. I still owe my vet for Rocky.......... that total bill was about $2000.
I have Artie eating Royal Canin kitten food.
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From: Liz S <ews54@...>
To: felineasthma@...
Sent: Sat, May 22, 2010 12:06:13 PM
Subject: RE: [felineasthma] Re: Why an Adoption Fee is Necessary for Pet Adoptions - June
I just adopted 2 kitties from a cat shelter.
Woman did not believe in vaccinating any of the cats in the shelter and actually wanted me to agree not to do it either, which of course I did not agree to considering where we live.
Next I had to pay her 125.00 donation fee for each cat, had no choice on giving the donation as she wrote it on the reciept.
Got the cats home and one was sneezing. Darn, not vaccinated coming from a shelter, so off to the vet we went with both of them. Had to do blood test for Clamydia and Feline Leukemia etc as you can't vaccinate sick cats so we had to make sure they where healthy. Cost me $140.00 for their first vaccinations plus vet costs for the blood work. This month they needed their Leukemia and Rabies shots which was another $140.00 and in July I have to get them both neutered which don't know the cost yet.
Riley is still on antibiotics to try and clear up whatever he came from the shelter with , his snotty nose, and well we can't figure out why Shade is having this bloody stool but will get to the bottom of it.
Because the shelter is into all this natural food and that I have to pay twice the price for catfood as I can't seem to change their diet without running to problems and have to make a 6 hour round trip each month to by this darn food as it is not available locally.
Love the little fellas to death but sure was not counting on all the extra costs. Told them both today, lets try getting through this next month without and vet bills.
Cost me over $1000.00 and I have only had them for a month.
I just don't feel it was fair of the Shelter to charge me $300.00 for the cats (it was not a donation, it was what the cats cost me) and not have them vaccinated or anything and when I told them the cats had to be tested because the one was sick they washed their hands of it and said they where fine when they where at the shelter.
When Riley was sneezing, I called the lady at the shelter and asked if he had done it there and she said yes once in awhile, when I aske the other lady she said no. Second time I aske both and they said no he had never sneezed at the shelter. I could tell they where not telling me the truth.
So I will take care of these guys and get them both healthy. Good thing I have a lot of credit at the bank as this is not cheap adopting these fellas from a shelter. Not a very good start for us but we will get it all sorted out I am sure as the vet is bending over backwards to help me get these guys healthy as the bill could be alot higher then it is if I had taken them elsewhere.
Just venting this morning I guess.
Liz, Angel MIkey, Riley, Shade
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My local vet is like yours Peggy, they make you wait three days after applying for adoption, they check your references, cost a few years ago was $95 and you have to sign an agreement to give shots and have them fixed and if you can't keep them you agree to return them to the shelter.
PennySue, Tabitha and Artie
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From: Peggy S <bottlebug50@...>
To: felineasthma@...
Sent: Sat, May 22, 2010 3:56:20 PM
Subject: RE: [felineasthma] Re: Why an Adoption Fee is Necessary for Pet Adoptions - June
Hi Liz,
I'm surprised about the shelter. Here at the local SPCA you pay a small fee and the cats come with their beginner shots and they are neutered before you are allowed to take them. If you are renting, they actually contact the landlord to make sure it is ok to have cats, so they are careful. When I chose Ollie at first, he had already been "reserved" by someone else but then they called me a few days later and said they would prefer if I adopted him, so I think they check people out and I had adopted from them before.
Peggy and Oliver ^~^
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From: Liz S <ews54@...>
Subject: RE: [felineasthma] Re: Why an Adoption Fee is Necessary for Pet Adoptions - June
To: felineasthma@...
Date: Saturday, May 22, 2010, 5:06 PM
I just adopted 2 kitties from a cat shelter.
Woman did not believe in vaccinating any of the cats in the shelter and actually wanted me to agree not to do it either, which of course I did not agree to considering where we live.
Next I had to pay her 125.00 donation fee for each cat, had no choice on giving the donation as she wrote it on the reciept.
Got the cats home and one was sneezing. Darn, not vaccinated coming from a shelter, so off to the vet we went with both of them. Had to do blood test for Clamydia and Feline Leukemia etc as you can't vaccinate sick cats so we had to make sure they where healthy. Cost me $140.00 for their first vaccinations plus vet costs for the blood work. This month they needed their Leukemia and Rabies shots which was another $140.00 and in July I have to get them both neutered which don't know the cost yet.
Riley is still on antibiotics to try and clear up whatever he came from the shelter with , his snotty nose, and well we can't figure out why Shade is having this bloody stool but will get to the bottom of it.
Because the shelter is into all this natural food and that I have to pay twice the price for catfood as I can't seem to change their diet without running to problems and have to make a 6 hour round trip each month to by this darn food as it is not available locally.
Love the little fellas to death but sure was not counting on all the extra costs. Told them both today, lets try getting through this next month without and vet bills.
Cost me over $1000.00 and I have only had them for a month.
I just don't feel it was fair of the Shelter to charge me $300.00 for the cats (it was not a donation, it was what the cats cost me) and not have them vaccinated or anything and when I told them the cats had to be tested because the one was sick they washed their hands of it and said they where fine when they where at the shelter.
When Riley was sneezing, I called the lady at the shelter and asked if he had done it there and she said yes once in awhile, when I aske the other lady she said no. Second time I aske both and they said no he had never sneezed at the shelter. I could tell they where not telling me the truth.
So I will take care of these guys and get them both healthy. Good thing I have a lot of credit at the bank as this is not cheap adopting these fellas from a shelter. Not a very good start for us but we will get it all sorted out I am sure as the vet is bending over backwards to help me get these guys healthy as the bill could be alot higher then it is if I had taken them elsewhere.
Just venting this morning I guess.
Liz, Angel MIkey, Riley, Shade
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#54242
Julie you are so right! I agree this shelter should be reported and if they are how they sounds those poor animals are at the very least being neglected.
PennySue, Tabitha and Artie
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From: naps_with_cats <naps.with.cats@...>
To: felineasthma@...
Sent: Sat, May 22, 2010 7:23:17 PM
Subject: [felineasthma] Re: Why an Adoption Fee is Necessary for Pet Adoptions - June
Wow,
If this lady is running a certified shelter through the County or a 501(c)3, I would immediately call the HSUS (Humane Society of the United States) 800 number and report her.
Bloody stool could be indicative of parasytes, especially since they're shelter kitties. I'm guessing the sneezing will clear up - did they give you Clavamox for that?
To wean a kitten/cat from one food to another (which is perfectly okay to do - just make sure it's a healthy food, not Meow Mix which has no nutrients - just have a bag of the "natural and expensive food" and buy a good brand, perhaps "Innova", "Evo", "Wellness" and add about a 1/4 of that to the food the first week, the second week, add 1/2 of the old, 1/2 of the new, the next week, 3/4 of the old, 3/4 of the new and finally the 4th week, kitty will be fully weaned from the stuff that lady said you have to feed the kitties. The only side-effect from switching foods (unless they're allergic to the new food) is diarrhea when people change the food too fast, or the new food is too rich (which Evo is a really rich food which my cats couldn't tolerate). I actually, because of my current financial situation which is dire, mix the Innova with Purina 1 chicken and rice formula to make the food last longer. (I started adding the Purina slowly, but because Innova
has so many nutrients in it that a carinvore cat needs, I still buy it.
That lady sounds more like a shelter breeder, if that makes any sense! I would most certainly report just what you reported here to the HSUS and they will investigate. Perhaps not on the spot, but as soon as they can fit it in! They investigated our shelter where I volunteered/fostered and adopt-a-pet'ed(?) for a few years because many of the volunteers reported them, first to the papers, the local T.V., then the HSUS because it was a filthy environment for the cats and dogs (we had livestock, too), and the guys doing the initial cleaning of the floors (spraying with forced water) would be getting into the bottom cages of the cats and the dogs kennels, they would rough-house the cats; the manager/vet wasn't visiting the animals put on the sick-animal log hardly, etc., etc.
Yup, I'd report to the HSUS. (The head guy is really handsome, too!
;-)
Warmly,
Julie O'
--- In felineasthma@..., Liz S <ews54@...> wrote:
I just adopted 2 kitties from a cat shelter.
Woman did not believe in vaccinating any of the cats in the shelter and actually wanted me to agree not to do it either, which of course I did not agree to considering where we live.
Next I had to pay her 125.00 donation fee for each cat, had no choice on giving the donation as she wrote it on the reciept.
Got the cats home and one was sneezing. Darn, not vaccinated coming from a shelter, so off to the vet we went with both of them. Had to do blood test for Clamydia and Feline Leukemia etc as you can't vaccinate sick cats so we had to make sure they where healthy. Cost me $140.00 for their first vaccinations plus vet costs for the blood work. This month they needed their Leukemia and Rabies shots which was another $140.00 and in July I have to get them both neutered which don't know the cost yet.
Riley is still on antibiotics to try and clear up whatever he came from the shelter with , his snotty nose, and well we can't figure out why Shade is having this bloody stool but will get to the bottom of it.
Because the shelter is into all this natural food and that I have to pay twice the price for catfood as I can't seem to change their diet without running to problems and have to make a 6 hour round trip each month to by this darn food as it is not available locally.
Love the little fellas to death but sure was not counting on all the extra costs. Told them both today, lets try getting through this next month without and vet bills.
Cost me over $1000.00 and I have only had them for a month.
I just don't feel it was fair of the Shelter to charge me $300.00 for the cats (it was not a donation, it was what the cats cost me) and not have them vaccinated or anything and when I told them the cats had to be tested because the one was sick they washed their hands of it and said they where fine when they where at the shelter.
When Riley was sneezing, I called the lady at the shelter and asked if he had done it there and she said yes once in awhile, when I aske the other lady she said no. Second time I aske both and they said no he had never sneezed at the shelter. I could tell they where not telling me the truth.
So I will take care of these guys and get them both healthy. Good thing I have a lot of credit at the bank as this is not cheap adopting these fellas from a shelter. Not a very good start for us but we will get it all sorted out I am sure as the vet is bending over backwards to help me get these guys healthy as the bill could be alot higher then it is if I had taken them elsewhere.
Just venting this morning I guess.
Liz, Angel MIkey, Riley, Shade
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Hi Penny Sue:
I am hearing you about the vet bills. I am still paying Mikey's vet bills as well. I am not made of money as I can't work outside the home because I am also caregiver to a 80 year old mother who had a stroke a few years ago.
I just feel it was not fair of the shelter to charge me $300.00 dollars for those cats and call it a donation and I am paying for all this other stuff.
Yes, I am glad I got Riley and Shade out of there as that is just a disaster looking for a place to happen not vaccinating any animals in the place and to be honest I cannot imagine any vet associated with that organization going along with that idea but she did say she has a vet tech come and look in on the cats. So that is a good thing I guess.
Anyway , we have the boys, will take care of their needs, if they can stay out of trouble for a day or two. Can't keep running them back and forth to the vet or calling the vet every other day. Thank god he is a patient man though.
Riley yesterday got into something as his front leg was twice the size of the other. Called him big foot all day, but whatever caused it, the swelling went down today and he is back to his normal self.
Yes Vet said the boys can be neutered between 5 and 6 months. He comes up in July but not August so we will do it in July.
Artie will not be a happy camper for a few days.
Hope tabitha is feeling better and coming off the pred soon.
Liz, Angel Mikey, Riley, Shade
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From: pshardy2@...
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 17:55:38 -0700
Subject: Re: [felineasthma] Re: Why an Adoption Fee is Necessary for Pet Adoptions - June
Liz.
The way that shelter is run, if you hadn't adopted Shade and Riley they would not be getting the medical care they need. I think you have saved their lives. They sound very irrsponsible. I imagine they just don't want to spend the money on vaccines.
Artie needs to have his manhood changed soon. He is 5 months now and it should happen between 5 and 6 months old. I still owe my vet for Rocky.......... that total bill was about $2000.
I have Artie eating Royal Canin kitten food.
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From: Liz S <ews54@...>
To: felineasthma@...
Sent: Sat, May 22, 2010 12:06:13 PM
Subject: RE: [felineasthma] Re: Why an Adoption Fee is Necessary for Pet Adoptions - June
I just adopted 2 kitties from a cat shelter.
Woman did not believe in vaccinating any of the cats in the shelter and actually wanted me to agree not to do it either, which of course I did not agree to considering where we live.
Next I had to pay her 125.00 donation fee for each cat, had no choice on giving the donation as she wrote it on the reciept.
Got the cats home and one was sneezing. Darn, not vaccinated coming from a shelter, so off to the vet we went with both of them. Had to do blood test for Clamydia and Feline Leukemia etc as you can't vaccinate sick cats so we had to make sure they where healthy. Cost me $140.00 for their first vaccinations plus vet costs for the blood work. This month they needed their Leukemia and Rabies shots which was another $140.00 and in July I have to get them both neutered which don't know the cost yet.
Riley is still on antibiotics to try and clear up whatever he came from the shelter with , his snotty nose, and well we can't figure out why Shade is having this bloody stool but will get to the bottom of it.
Because the shelter is into all this natural food and that I have to pay twice the price for catfood as I can't seem to change their diet without running to problems and have to make a 6 hour round trip each month to by this darn food as it is not available locally.
Love the little fellas to death but sure was not counting on all the extra costs. Told them both today, lets try getting through this next month without and vet bills.
Cost me over $1000.00 and I have only had them for a month.
I just don't feel it was fair of the Shelter to charge me $300.00 for the cats (it was not a donation, it was what the cats cost me) and not have them vaccinated or anything and when I told them the cats had to be tested because the one was sick they washed their hands of it and said they where fine when they where at the shelter.
When Riley was sneezing, I called the lady at the shelter and asked if he had done it there and she said yes once in awhile, when I aske the other lady she said no. Second time I aske both and they said no he had never sneezed at the shelter. I could tell they where not telling me the truth.
So I will take care of these guys and get them both healthy. Good thing I have a lot of credit at the bank as this is not cheap adopting these fellas from a shelter. Not a very good start for us but we will get it all sorted out I am sure as the vet is bending over backwards to help me get these guys healthy as the bill could be alot higher then it is if I had taken them elsewhere.
Just venting this morning I guess.
Liz, Angel MIkey, Riley, Shade
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Julie,
Interesting (or disgusting) how there doesn't seem to be any basic rules (laws) on how to run a shelter. Our county shelter many years ago would kill an inordinate amount of animals - both cats and dogs, plus other animals. Then a group, called A-Pal, was formed, consisting of citizens of the county and only thru donations was able to oust the then 'ruler' of the shelter who would take the cats out and practice shoot. When this was discovered (by newspaper) he was instantly gone, shelter was taken over by a strict lady and today are able to adopt all that are taken in. With the great help of A-Pal they adopted out 900 cats last year, 750 the year before and 400 the year before that. We now also have a brand new shelter building that the county built, mostly from donations matched by county. We are one of the few shelters that handle far more cats than dogs. And, yes, they all charge nominal fees and all are fixed prior to adoption. Also you have to fill
out an adoption application.
My only objection to all this feral fixing, etc is that we no longer have cats adopt us. We are now going to have to seek the shelter in order to get new cat; however, this far outweighs the alternative of having so many ferals.
Only wish we could have more success stories across this land.
Marje
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From: naps_with_cats naps.with.cats@...
Hey Chanel and Seti,
I'll have to agree to disagree and still feel that giving a beloved pet to a good home with the contingencies I put below (only) and checking in would help with the overpopulation situation.
Oh... I don't know if this happens everywhere in the U.S., but our shelter does not adopt out black cats for the entire month of October because of the unspeakable and horrific things certain groups or individuals do to them, i.e., sacrafice and such. Makes me sick! Happens here every year; in fact here it's not just black cats anymore.
Oh parents, teach your children well about animal care! I become very upset every time I think of this and other horrific things that happen here and I'm guessing everywhere. Some I can't even talk about lest I go into a long-term anger.
Getting the ferals spayed/neutered is something a group here does and then they put them on craigslist as barn cats with the condition they will have consistent food, water and shelter. This really helps the cat population 'round these here parts.
warmly,
Julie O'
--- In felineasthma@..., "astralchyld" <astralchyld@...> wrote:
Hi Julie!! Yes that part is a very good idea. But for sure the world has changed and no one should ever just give a kitten or puppy away for free. There are many unscrupulous people who will sell the animal to a lab where they will suffer untold horrors for far too long. (If anyone here can stand it look up Huntingdon Life Sciences and watch just one video on youtube about it if you can make it thru. Then multiply that by all the university labs across the country & Europe and you will have the idea. Animal testing and vivisection simply must end.)Some say even $25 is not enough as labs can pay up to 100 for an animal. This is another reason many pets are stolen and now more people do this as the economy has worsened. So please anyone here with kittens/puppies Make the Adopter PAY! To you, to a shelter, however you want to work it but no animal is 'free to a good owner' anymore, not in today's world.
What you're doing for your special needs fur ones is just great Julie!! I feed ferals too and we can all do our part with donations to someone out there, your local 'cat lady' or as you did by donating your precious time. Thank you!!
Love & light,
Chanel & Seti--- In felineasthma@..., "naps_with_cats" <naps.with.cats@> wrote:
I like this idea the best!!! I don't know who wrote it, but what a great idea! (below) Also, I think that scientists would pay for what they need. If I were to have to find my cats (God forbid) new homes,
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most of the shelters and rescue groups in my area kind all stay in the same adoption fee range which makes it easier. Some do run apecial like 2 for one if one cat is black
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Subject: Re: [felineasthma] Re: Why an Adoption Fee is Necessary for Pet Adoptions - June
To: felineasthma@...
Date: Sunday, May 23, 2010, 3:33 PM
Julie,
Interesting (or disgusting) how there doesn't seem to be any basic rules (laws) on how to run a shelter. Our county shelter many years ago would kill an inordinate amount of animals - both cats and dogs, plus other animals. Then a group, called A-Pal, was formed, consisting of citizens of the county and only thru donations was able to oust the then 'ruler' of the shelter who would take the cats out and practice shoot. When this was discovered (by newspaper) he was instantly gone, shelter was taken over by a strict lady and today are able to adopt all that are taken in. With the great help of A-Pal they adopted out 900 cats last year, 750 the year before and 400 the year before that. We now also have a brand new shelter building that the county built, mostly from donations matched by county. We are one of the few shelters that handle far more cats than dogs. And, yes, they all charge nominal fees and all are fixed prior to adoption. Also you have to fill
out an adoption application.
My only objection to all this feral fixing, etc is that we no longer have cats adopt us. We are now going to have to seek the shelter in order to get new cat; however, this far outweighs the alternative of having so many ferals.
Only wish we could have more success stories across this land.
Marje
________________________________
From: naps_with_cats naps.with.cats@...
Hey Chanel and Seti,
I'll have to agree to disagree and still feel that giving a beloved pet to a good home with the contingencies I put below (only) and checking in would help with the overpopulation situation.
Oh... I don't know if this happens everywhere in the U.S., but our shelter does not adopt out black cats for the entire month of October because of the unspeakable and horrific things certain groups or individuals do to them, i.e., sacrafice and such. Makes me sick! Happens here every year; in fact here it's not just black cats anymore.
Oh parents, teach your children well about animal care! I become very upset every time I think of this and other horrific things that happen here and I'm guessing everywhere. Some I can't even talk about lest I go into a long-term anger.
Getting the ferals spayed/neutered is something a group here does and then they put them on craigslist as barn cats with the condition they will have consistent food, water and shelter. This really helps the cat population 'round these here parts.
warmly,
Julie O'
--- In felineasthma@..., "astralchyld" <astralchyld@...> wrote:
Hi Julie!! Yes that part is a very good idea. But for sure the world has changed and no one should ever just give a kitten or puppy away for free. There are many unscrupulous people who will sell the animal to a lab where they will suffer untold horrors for far too long. (If anyone here can stand it look up Huntingdon Life Sciences and watch just one video on youtube about it if you can make it thru. Then multiply that by all the university labs across the country & Europe and you will have the idea. Animal testing and vivisection simply must end.)Some say even $25 is not enough as labs can pay up to 100 for an animal. This is another reason many pets are stolen and now more people do this as the economy has worsened. So please anyone here with kittens/puppies Make the Adopter PAY! To you, to a shelter, however you want to work it but no animal is 'free to a good owner' anymore, not in today's world.
What you're doing for your special needs fur ones is just great Julie!! I feed ferals too and we can all do our part with donations to someone out there, your local 'cat lady' or as you did by donating your precious time. Thank you!!
Love & light,
Chanel & Seti--- In felineasthma@..., "naps_with_cats" <naps.with.cats@> wrote:
I like this idea the best!!! I don't know who wrote it, but what a great idea! (below) Also, I think that scientists would pay for what they need. If I were to have to find my cats (God forbid) new homes,
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#54334
hi Liz
I'm sorry to hear your Mom has had a few strokes.It takes a very special person to care for a parent like you are.
Enjoy your time with your Mom, my Mom passed when she was only 69.
Do you think a bee may have gotten in the house and stung Riley's foot? That would account for the sweeling one day and gone the next.
Things have to calm down soon for you. Shade better now? Bleeding? Diarrhea?? Playing?? Eating??
Ear scratches and snuggles to the boys.
PennySue, Tabitha and Artie
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From: Liz S <ews54@...>
To: felineasthma@...
Sent: Sun, May 23, 2010 1:01:51 PM
Subject: RE: [felineasthma] Re: Why an Adoption Fee is Necessary for Pet Adoptions - June
Hi Penny Sue:
I am hearing you about the vet bills. I am still paying Mikey's vet bills as well. I am not made of money as I can't work outside the home because I am also caregiver to a 80 year old mother who had a stroke a few years ago.
I just feel it was not fair of the shelter to charge me $300.00 dollars for those cats and call it a donation and I am paying for all this other stuff.
Yes, I am glad I got Riley and Shade out of there as that is just a disaster looking for a place to happen not vaccinating any animals in the place and to be honest I cannot imagine any vet associated with that organization going along with that idea but she did say she has a vet tech come and look in on the cats. So that is a good thing I guess.
Anyway , we have the boys, will take care of their needs, if they can stay out of trouble for a day or two. Can't keep running them back and forth to the vet or calling the vet every other day. Thank god he is a patient man though.
Riley yesterday got into something as his front leg was twice the size of the other. Called him big foot all day, but whatever caused it, the swelling went down today and he is back to his normal self.
Yes Vet said the boys can be neutered between 5 and 6 months. He comes up in July but not August so we will do it in July.
Artie will not be a happy camper for a few days.
Hope tabitha is feeling better and coming off the pred soon.
Liz, Angel Mikey, Riley, Shade
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From: pshardy2@...
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 17:55:38 -0700
Subject: Re: [felineasthma] Re: Why an Adoption Fee is Necessary for Pet Adoptions - June
Liz.
The way that shelter is run, if you hadn't adopted Shade and Riley they would not be getting the medical care they need. I think you have saved their lives. They sound very irrsponsible. I imagine they just don't want to spend the money on vaccines.
Artie needs to have his manhood changed soon. He is 5 months now and it should happen between 5 and 6 months old. I still owe my vet for Rocky.......... that total bill was about $2000.
I have Artie eating Royal Canin kitten food.
________________________________
From: Liz S <ews54@...>
To: felineasthma@...
Sent: Sat, May 22, 2010 12:06:13 PM
Subject: RE: [felineasthma] Re: Why an Adoption Fee is Necessary for Pet Adoptions - June
I just adopted 2 kitties from a cat shelter.
Woman did not believe in vaccinating any of the cats in the shelter and actually wanted me to agree not to do it either, which of course I did not agree to considering where we live.
Next I had to pay her 125.00 donation fee for each cat, had no choice on giving the donation as she wrote it on the reciept.
Got the cats home and one was sneezing. Darn, not vaccinated coming from a shelter, so off to the vet we went with both of them. Had to do blood test for Clamydia and Feline Leukemia etc as you can't vaccinate sick cats so we had to make sure they where healthy. Cost me $140.00 for their first vaccinations plus vet costs for the blood work. This month they needed their Leukemia and Rabies shots which was another $140.00 and in July I have to get them both neutered which don't know the cost yet.
Riley is still on antibiotics to try and clear up whatever he came from the shelter with , his snotty nose, and well we can't figure out why Shade is having this bloody stool but will get to the bottom of it.
Because the shelter is into all this natural food and that I have to pay twice the price for catfood as I can't seem to change their diet without running to problems and have to make a 6 hour round trip each month to by this darn food as it is not available locally.
Love the little fellas to death but sure was not counting on all the extra costs. Told them both today, lets try getting through this next month without and vet bills.
Cost me over $1000.00 and I have only had them for a month.
I just don't feel it was fair of the Shelter to charge me $300.00 for the cats (it was not a donation, it was what the cats cost me) and not have them vaccinated or anything and when I told them the cats had to be tested because the one was sick they washed their hands of it and said they where fine when they where at the shelter.
When Riley was sneezing, I called the lady at the shelter and asked if he had done it there and she said yes once in awhile, when I aske the other lady she said no. Second time I aske both and they said no he had never sneezed at the shelter. I could tell they where not telling me the truth.
So I will take care of these guys and get them both healthy. Good thing I have a lot of credit at the bank as this is not cheap adopting these fellas from a shelter. Not a very good start for us but we will get it all sorted out I am sure as the vet is bending over backwards to help me get these guys healthy as the bill could be alot higher then it is if I had taken them elsewhere.
Just venting this morning I guess.
Liz, Angel MIkey, Riley, Shade
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Thanks Penny Sue:
It is not easy sometimes but we manage.
Riley foot is okay again. He is just a little guy, that is an accident looking for a place to happen. These kitties keep me on my toes.
We have Riley on L-lysine now and hope that will take care of his runny nnose but I actually think the amoxy was doing the trick but we are done the antibiotics. Will see if the L-lysine helps.
Shade still has blood in his stool. I am not sure what to think and am not sure how long I should let this go on until I really push the vet for an answer. Reading the literature on this , it is not so uncommom in cats, kittens.
They both where dewormed and if it was a paracite would Riley not have picked it up? He is fine in that deparment, it is his breathing and nose that is his issue. He plays so hard and is panting like crazy but just keeps on going.
Shade has this bleeding issue but that doesn't slow him down either. From their eating and playing you would not know anything is wrong with either of them. So that at least is positive but I know Riley has breathing issues and Shade has the bleeding issue.
From their habits I would never had know they where both poisoned either if I had not see Shade peeing white foamy urine and had his kidneys checked. They are kittens and have places to go , people to see, and things to do, they don't acknowledge being sick.
Geez, I can't be running them to the vet every other day or calling the vet every other day. Can't afford it either. Thank god he is a patient man and takes my calls.
Hope Tabitha is doing her puffs and feeling much better now.
Liz, Angel Mikey, Riley,Shade
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From: pshardy2@...
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 15:23:25 -0700
Subject: Re: [felineasthma] Re: Why an Adoption Fee is Necessary for Pet Adoptions - June
hi Liz
I'm sorry to hear your Mom has had a few strokes. It takes a very special person to care for a parent like you are.
Enjoy your time with your Mom, my Mom passed when she was only 69.
Do you think a bee may have gotten in the house and stung Riley's foot? That would account for the sweeling one day and gone the next.
Things have to calm down soon for you. Shade better now? Bleeding? Diarrhea?? Playing?? Eating??
Ear scratches and snuggles to the boys.
PennySue, Tabitha and Artie
________________________________
From: Liz S <ews54@...>
To: felineasthma@...
Sent: Sun, May 23, 2010 1:01:51 PM
Subject: RE: [felineasthma] Re: Why an Adoption Fee is Necessary for Pet Adoptions - June
Hi Penny Sue:
I am hearing you about the vet bills. I am still paying Mikey's vet bills as well. I am not made of money as I can't work outside the home because I am also caregiver to a 80 year old mother who had a stroke a few years ago.
I just feel it was not fair of the shelter to charge me $300.00 dollars for those cats and call it a donation and I am paying for all this other stuff.
Yes, I am glad I got Riley and Shade out of there as that is just a disaster looking for a place to happen not vaccinating any animals in the place and to be honest I cannot imagine any vet associated with that organization going along with that idea but she did say she has a vet tech come and look in on the cats. So that is a good thing I guess.
Anyway , we have the boys, will take care of their needs, if they can stay out of trouble for a day or two. Can't keep running them back and forth to the vet or calling the vet every other day. Thank god he is a patient man though.
Riley yesterday got into something as his front leg was twice the size of the other. Called him big foot all day, but whatever caused it, the swelling went down today and he is back to his normal self.
Yes Vet said the boys can be neutered between 5 and 6 months. He comes up in July but not August so we will do it in July.
Artie will not be a happy camper for a few days.
Hope tabitha is feeling better and coming off the pred soon.
Liz, Angel Mikey, Riley, Shade
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From: pshardy2@...
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 17:55:38 -0700
Subject: Re: [felineasthma] Re: Why an Adoption Fee is Necessary for Pet Adoptions - June
Liz.
The way that shelter is run, if you hadn't adopted Shade and Riley they would not be getting the medical care they need. I think you have saved their lives. They sound very irrsponsible. I imagine they just don't want to spend the money on vaccines.
Artie needs to have his manhood changed soon. He is 5 months now and it should happen between 5 and 6 months old. I still owe my vet for Rocky.......... that total bill was about $2000.
I have Artie eating Royal Canin kitten food.
________________________________
From: Liz S <ews54@...>
To: felineasthma@...
Sent: Sat, May 22, 2010 12:06:13 PM
Subject: RE: [felineasthma] Re: Why an Adoption Fee is Necessary for Pet Adoptions - June
I just adopted 2 kitties from a cat shelter.
Woman did not believe in vaccinating any of the cats in the shelter and actually wanted me to agree not to do it either, which of course I did not agree to considering where we live.
Next I had to pay her 125.00 donation fee for each cat, had no choice on giving the donation as she wrote it on the reciept.
Got the cats home and one was sneezing. Darn, not vaccinated coming from a shelter, so off to the vet we went with both of them. Had to do blood test for Clamydia and Feline Leukemia etc as you can't vaccinate sick cats so we had to make sure they where healthy. Cost me $140.00 for their first vaccinations plus vet costs for the blood work. This month they needed their Leukemia and Rabies shots which was another $140.00 and in July I have to get them both neutered which don't know the cost yet.
Riley is still on antibiotics to try and clear up whatever he came from the shelter with , his snotty nose, and well we can't figure out why Shade is having this bloody stool but will get to the bottom of it.
Because the shelter is into all this natural food and that I have to pay twice the price for catfood as I can't seem to change their diet without running to problems and have to make a 6 hour round trip each month to by this darn food as it is not available locally.
Love the little fellas to death but sure was not counting on all the extra costs. Told them both today, lets try getting through this next month without and vet bills.
Cost me over $1000.00 and I have only had them for a month.
I just don't feel it was fair of the Shelter to charge me $300.00 for the cats (it was not a donation, it was what the cats cost me) and not have them vaccinated or anything and when I told them the cats had to be tested because the one was sick they washed their hands of it and said they where fine when they where at the shelter.
When Riley was sneezing, I called the lady at the shelter and asked if he had done it there and she said yes once in awhile, when I aske the other lady she said no. Second time I aske both and they said no he had never sneezed at the shelter. I could tell they where not telling me the truth.
So I will take care of these guys and get them both healthy. Good thing I have a lot of credit at the bank as this is not cheap adopting these fellas from a shelter. Not a very good start for us but we will get it all sorted out I am sure as the vet is bending over backwards to help me get these guys healthy as the bill could be alot higher then it is if I had taken them elsewhere.
Just venting this morning I guess.
Liz, Angel MIkey, Riley, Shade
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I don't know whether it helps but my Angel gets chronic diarreah with mucus and blood if I feed her wet food. She is fine on dry; Just a thought.
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Thanks Penny Sue:
It is not easy sometimes but we manage.
Riley foot is okay again. He is just a little guy, that is an accident looking for a place to happen. These kitties keep me on my toes.
We have Riley on L-lysine now and hope that will take care of his runny nnose but I actually think the amoxy was doing the trick but we are done the antibiotics. Will see if the L-lysine helps.
Shade still has blood in his stool. I am not sure what to think and am not sure how long I should let this go on until I really push the vet for an answer. Reading the literature on this , it is not so uncommom in cats, kittens.
They both where dewormed and if it was a paracite would Riley not have picked it up? He is fine in that deparment, it is his breathing and nose that is his issue. He plays so hard and is panting like crazy but just keeps on going.
Shade has this bleeding issue but that doesn't slow him down either. From their eating and playing you would not know anything is wrong with either of them. So that at least is positive but I know Riley has breathing issues and Shade has the bleeding issue.
From their habits I would never had know they where both poisoned either if I had not see Shade peeing white foamy urine and had his kidneys checked. They are kittens and have places to go , people to see, and things to do, they don't acknowledge being sick.
Geez, I can't be running them to the vet every other day or calling the vet every other day. Can't afford it either. Thank god he is a patient man and takes my calls.
Hope Tabitha is doing her puffs and feeling much better now.
Liz, Angel Mikey, Riley,Shade
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Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 15:23:25 -0700
Subject: Re: [felineasthma] Re: Why an Adoption Fee is Necessary for Pet Adoptions - Junehi Liz
I'm sorry to hear your Mom has had a few strokes. It takes a very special person to care for a parent like you are.
Enjoy your time with your Mom, my Mom passed when she was only 69.Do you think a bee may have gotten in the house and stung Riley's foot? That would account for the sweeling one day and gone the next.
Things have to calm down soon for you. Shade better now? Bleeding? Diarrhea?? Playing?? Eating??
Ear scratches and snuggles to the boys.
PennySue, Tabitha and Artie________________________________
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Sent: Sun, May 23, 2010 1:01:51 PM
Subject: RE: [felineasthma] Re: Why an Adoption Fee is Necessary for Pet Adoptions - JuneHi Penny Sue:
I am hearing you about the vet bills. I am still paying Mikey's vet bills as well. I am not made of money as I can't work outside the home because I am also caregiver to a 80 year old mother who had a stroke a few years ago.
I just feel it was not fair of the shelter to charge me $300.00 dollars for those cats and call it a donation and I am paying for all this other stuff.
Yes, I am glad I got Riley and Shade out of there as that is just a disaster looking for a place to happen not vaccinating any animals in the place and to be honest I cannot imagine any vet associated with that organization going along with that idea but she did say she has a vet tech come and look in on the cats. So that is a good thing I guess.
Anyway , we have the boys, will take care of their needs, if they can stay out of trouble for a day or two. Can't keep running them back and forth to the vet or calling the vet every other day. Thank god he is a patient man though.
Riley yesterday got into something as his front leg was twice the size of the other. Called him big foot all day, but whatever caused it, the swelling went down today and he is back to his normal self.
Yes Vet said the boys can be neutered between 5 and 6 months. He comes up in July but not August so we will do it in July.
Artie will not be a happy camper for a few days.
Hope tabitha is feeling better and coming off the pred soon.
Liz, Angel Mikey, Riley, Shade
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Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 17:55:38 -0700
Subject: Re: [felineasthma] Re: Why an Adoption Fee is Necessary for Pet Adoptions - JuneLiz.
The way that shelter is run, if you hadn't adopted Shade and Riley they would not be getting the medical care they need. I think you have saved their lives. They sound very irrsponsible. I imagine they just don't want to spend the money on vaccines.
Artie needs to have his manhood changed soon. He is 5 months now and it should happen between 5 and 6 months old. I still owe my vet for Rocky.......... that total bill was about $2000.
I have Artie eating Royal Canin kitten food.
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Sent: Sat, May 22, 2010 12:06:13 PM
Subject: RE: [felineasthma] Re: Why an Adoption Fee is Necessary for Pet Adoptions - JuneI just adopted 2 kitties from a cat shelter.
Woman did not believe in vaccinating any of the cats in the shelter and actually wanted me to agree not to do it either, which of course I did not agree to considering where we live.
Next I had to pay her 125.00 donation fee for each cat, had no choice on giving the donation as she wrote it on the reciept.
Got the cats home and one was sneezing. Darn, not vaccinated coming from a shelter, so off to the vet we went with both of them. Had to do blood test for Clamydia and Feline Leukemia etc as you can't vaccinate sick cats so we had to make sure they where healthy. Cost me $140.00 for their first vaccinations plus vet costs for the blood work. This month they needed their Leukemia and Rabies shots which was another $140.00 and in July I have to get them both neutered which don't know the cost yet.
Riley is still on antibiotics to try and clear up whatever he came from the shelter with , his snotty nose, and well we can't figure out why Shade is having this bloody stool but will get to the bottom of it.
Because the shelter is into all this natural food and that I have to pay twice the price for catfood as I can't seem to change their diet without running to problems and have to make a 6 hour round trip each month to by this darn food as it is not available locally.
Love the little fellas to death but sure was not counting on all the extra costs. Told them both today, lets try getting through this next month without and vet bills.
Cost me over $1000.00 and I have only had them for a month.
I just don't feel it was fair of the Shelter to charge me $300.00 for the cats (it was not a donation, it was what the cats cost me) and not have them vaccinated or anything and when I told them the cats had to be tested because the one was sick they washed their hands of it and said they where fine when they where at the shelter.
When Riley was sneezing, I called the lady at the shelter and asked if he had done it there and she said yes once in awhile, when I aske the other lady she said no. Second time I aske both and they said no he had never sneezed at the shelter. I could tell they where not telling me the truth.
So I will take care of these guys and get them both healthy. Good thing I have a lot of credit at the bank as this is not cheap adopting these fellas from a shelter. Not a very good start for us but we will get it all sorted out I am sure as the vet is bending over backwards to help me get these guys healthy as the bill could be alot higher then it is if I had taken them elsewhere.
Just venting this morning I guess.
Liz, Angel MIkey, Riley, Shade
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